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Let’s Talk Bookish – Cliches and Tropes

Happy Friday everyone! Down The Rabbit Hole will be participating in Let’s Talk Bookish this month, a place where we can discuss and share our opinions about certain topics suggested by the community. Below I have referenced their little blurb on LTB. Please follow them and feel free to submit your own prompts on their sites as well!

Letโ€™s Talk Bookish is a weekly meme, hosted by Rukky @ Eternity Books & Dani @ Literary Lion, where they discuss certain topics, share their opinions, and spread the love by visiting each othersโ€™ posts.

Prompt for February 5:

Can cliches and tropes be done well? When is something a trope and when is it a cliche? when do you enjoy cliches or tropes, and when do you not? How much do cliches/tropes affect your opinion of a book?


#1: Can cliches and tropes be done well?

Absolutely. I feel like if it were completely impossible to do well, they would hardly exist anymore. Although that being said, cliches are probably the harder of the two to do well. To me, the difference between the two are pretty slight – I tend to think of them relatively interchangeably except that cliches often come with a more negative, “overused”, connotation. Now I know this is probably not the technical difference, but for all intents and purposes of this discussion, I will lump them to be more similar than they may be by definition.

For me, the best uses of cliches/tropes are often recognized when the author does something special with it. We’ve all read the typical coming of age story, or love at first sight romances, but I think even the most cliche of cliches can be manipulated to be appropriate, or used in a novel way that is refreshing. The “advantage” of playing along with a cliche or trope is that the audience will always have a particular expectation, and authors can use that to create a more stark contrast when they diverge, or really lead on the readers without much effort. Overall I believe that it’s a tool that is best used sparingly, as it can quickly go south if not done well.

#2: When is something a trope and when is it a cliche?

Like I was saying in the last response, for me, it’s relatively similar. However, if I were to break it down a bit further, I’d say a trope is often something more broad, similar to an archetype. I think an overused and cheesily done trope can also be classified as a cliche. Semantics anyway though, right? In my mind, when I hear these two words, I imagine a trope being a kind of storyline or a character that is often used to enhance a plotline, or add some familiarity. A cliche, on the other hand, is perhaps something similar, except completely expected, overused, and very cheesily executed. I would call something a total cliche if it created cringeworthy moments rather than the more endearing familiarity of a trope.

#3: When do you enjoy cliches or tropes, and when do you not?

To be more specific about when I enjoy them, I would say when authors reference a trope/cliche ironically or use it satirically within their piece, I often get a good laugh out of it. Another way is to almost follow the cliche but then have it fall short just at the end to also create that relief in tension of expectation. While these aren’t the only ways to use it, I get the most enjoyment out of them when I least expect them. On the other hand, my least favourite use of cliches/tropes (besides the obvious cliche being too cliche) is when authors spell out the cliche for you after they’ve been using it the entire time. Definitely a pet peeve of mine, like over-explaining a metaphor after using it… it just really dispels the moment, and not something I enjoy reading.

#4: How much do cliches/tropes affect your opinion of a book?

I think in general I am not going to change my opinion of book based on a cliche/trope that is used, unless it is completely egregious in its use. Even if it is a well-executed cliche or trope, that’s not usually the winning point for me to write home and tell others about. A great story is a great story whether or not it uses a trope or cliche, and so I am not sure how much value I would assign to its usage. I would certainly be impressed if the author executes a trope well, but that isn’t usually the main thing I look for in a novel. I usually judge novels based on the overall experience I had reading it and reflecting on it afterwards, and if it had a well done trope, great! Bonus points for sure, but I wouldn’t say it affects my opinion much.


And that’s it from me for today! What do you guys think? Agree or disagree? Feel free to discuss in the comments below, and once again make sure to follow the original creators!

3.5 star, adult

Review: Behind Closed Doors by B. A. Paris

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Everyone knows a couple like Jack and Grace. He has looks and wealth, she has charm and elegance. You might not want to like them, but you do.

Youโ€™d like to get to know Grace better.

But itโ€™s difficult, because you realise Jack and Grace are never apart.

Some might call this true love. Others might ask why Grace never answers the phone. Or how she can never meet for coffee, even though she doesnโ€™t work. How she can cook such elaborate meals but remain so slim. And why there are bars on one of the bedroom windows.

Sometimes, the perfect marriage is the perfect lie. 



This one was a truly thrilling one – I had to stop so many times at the intense suspense I was feeling; definitely kudos to the author for being able to create the suspense through her writing!

Behind Closed Doors follows Grace, who seems to have the perfect life to the outside world. An insanely handsome husband, a huge house, a lot of money – what can only be described as perfect. But as we dive back between the present and the past (marked by the chapter), we quickly discover just what lies beneath the surface, behind closed doors. This novel does a great job at exploring how something that looks so perfect from the outside could be so twisted on the inside. Seriously chilling story!

Although this truly was one of the most chilling thrillers I have read in a while, the twists and the plot weren’t altogether too shocking for me. Actually the concept itself was quite unique, how the author pulled this story together – I guess it was only my experience with thrillers that allowed me to accidentally predict the plot. That being said, it’s impressive that this was so thrilling even with its predictability – I guess that speaks to just how twisted and frustrated I felt for Grace. It was definitely a well crafted story, most things explained well, and great foreshadowing and themes that made it feel like a cohesive story. The scariest part was how real it seemed, and how very possible it would be to face the same difficult choices with no right answer.

If you enjoy reading this kind of novel purely for the emotions it can make you feel and the tension it can create, this would definitely be the book for you. However, if you are the type who unconsciously (or consciously) likes to predict the plot and like things being completely unpredictable, this is not the book I would recommend. Overall I would say this book is well written, and I thoroughly enjoyed my experience with it – though I may need a breather – you’ll see what I mean if you read it.

Overall Recommendations

Behind Closed Doors is a well crafted thriller novel that follows Grace as she navigates her “perfect” life. The things she must do to maintain her perfect image…lest what happens? A truly chilling story of a husband and wife that is seemingly perfect in all respects – except for what happens behind closed doors. My main gripe is that it was a bit predictable for me getting towards the end, but at least it still left me wondering how we would get to that point. A very exciting read indeed if you are looking for a truly chilling thriller novel to read!

3.5 star, YA

ARC Review: The Iron Raven by Julie Kagawa

Series: The Iron Fey Evenfall #1

You may have heard of me…

Robin Goodfellow. Puck. Prankster, joker, raven, foolโ€ฆ King Oberonโ€™s right-hand jester from A Midsummer Nightโ€™s Dream. The legends are many, but the truth will now be known as never before, as Puck finally tells his own story and faces a threat to the lands of Faery and the human world unlike any before.

With the Iron Queen Meghan Chase and her prince consort, Puckโ€™s longtime rival Ash, and allies old and new by his side, Puck begins a fantastical and dangerous adventure not to be missed or forgotten.



***The Iron Raven comes out February 9, 2021***

Thank you Edelweiss and HarperCollins for this copy in exchange for an honest review.

All you old-timer fans out there, are you excited for the next instalment of the Iron Fey series? Because I sure am!

I was such a fan of Julieโ€™s earliest series when it first came out, and while I was always solidly a Team Ash (sorry, not sorry), I loved Puck for the friend and caring guy he was. So here is his story and Iโ€™m super glad we get to see the world through his unique eyes.

The Iron Raven picks up some time after the events of the original Iron Fey series AND the Call of the Forgotten series, so you will definitely get spoilers from both. And while there are references to things that occurred in those series (and really big, mighty ones they were!), I donโ€™t believe itโ€™s absolutely necessary to have read all of them to get a good sense of this world from here.

Puck, also known as Robin Goodfellow, is still the trickster you know and heard of – made known by a certain human playwright, hmm? But he may not be exactly the lovable character you remember in the Iron Fey series. Something is going around, and the nastier, crueler side of Robin Goodfellow may be just simmering under the surface as he navigates with old allies and new friends alike in another mission to save the world from ending.

Also, why do the faeries seem to have endless ways to end the world?

Our new love interest Nyx is a girl I can stand behind. While she may not be Meghan Chase, the Iron Queen, sheโ€™s strong, capable, fierce and protective of those she cares for. Definitely someone who can go head-to-head with a faerie as old and worldly as Puck, even when heโ€™s not on his absolute best behaviour (though I suppose, when is he really?).

With the same style of storytelling Julie is known for in her previous two trilogies, you can expect action (lots of athletic battling going on here), cute romantic moments (aww!) and an ending that will leave you thirsting for more.

While I enjoyed all of these things, plus the added feels from people and places I remember in her old series (the nostalgia is REAL), I did feel the story couldโ€™ve progressed faster at times, particularly the beginning. Once things started really going and I was really invested in the issue at hand, things just seem to get โ€œresolvedโ€, like weโ€™re closing that particular story element and I found myself at the end of the book. With an ending that screamed for another page to exist after it!

But that is the only complaint I have because I thoroughly enjoyed being inside Robin Goodfellowโ€™s head for once. Instead of being the comic relief kinda guy, we get to see what makes him tick, the old things he hadnโ€™t let go of in his many years of existence, and the struggles he hides deep down by putting on a show with his witty tricks and banter.

If you love Puck, this is definitely a book for you. Because his inner monologue was the star of the show for me, and I love him all the more for it.

Overall Recommendation:

The Iron Raven is a great story for those just being introduced to the Nevernever and to those of us who really hit the nostalgia going down these familiar roads. A character not unfamiliar to most of us, this is Robin Goodfellowโ€™s story and the kind of trouble he gets into with old friends (ahh, Meghan and Ash!) and new ones alike. With a budding new romance on the horizon for him and yet another end of the world prophecy he needs to deal with, Puck finds himself facing not only the external issues coming at him but some inner demons of his own he has not really purged in his years of existence. Fun, action-packed scenes and a crew of characters to root for, The Iron Raven feels like slipping on old slippers that we missed and loved.